When Checking for the McCain Bounce, Look at STATE Polls

The national tracking polls are already starting to show a modest 2-to-3 point bounce for the Palin/McCain McCain/Palin ticket.  That's a smaller bounce than Obama/Biden got from the Denver convention, but we won't know the full extent of the GOP bounce until Monday once voters have had time to process McCain's speech.

The national trackers will likely show that Palin McCain has pulled even with Obama, or at least gotten the same bounce Obama got.  That will be hardly surprising: after all, if an entire political party gets away with telling lie after lie and pretending it's exactly the opposite of the scum that it is without significant media pushback, it's likely to sway a few votes.

But, of course, elections are not won in the popular vote: they're won in the electoral college.  In the end, the national polls don't matter nearly as much as the state polls.  By that metric, Obama is doing very well:  Pollster.com shows us winning 260 EVs with 99 tossups mostly leaning our way; Nate Silver, meanwhile, has Obama projected to win 310.6 EVs as things currently stand.

Of course, the priority of state polls over national ones is old hat to political junkies like us.  And yet, especially when it comes to 24-hour media cycles, convention bounces and debates, there is a tendency to place special emphasis on national trackers--especially since it can be difficult to get quick daily snapshots of changes within any given state's polling.  This is always something of a mistake (though we don't have much else to go on, so it's what we do).  But looking at national trackers to estimate the McCain bounce from the GOP convention is more ill-advised than usual.

The Republicans had the opportunity to attempt to use their convention to appeal to moderates and independents.  Getting Western moderates and Hillary voters into McCain's camp was supposed to be one of the biggest draws of the Sarah Palin pick.  Instead, with the exception of some elements of John McCain's speech (in which he still neglected to talk about the issues appealing to moderates), the entire GOP convention was tailored toward motivating their own base.

As Margie Omero says over at Pollster.com:

As we continue to discuss the Palin Effect, more data have emerged.  An ABC News poll released today shows that partisanship, as opposed to gender, is a far greater predictor than of attitudes toward Governor Palin.

Across nearly every dimension, Republicans have rallied behind McCain's VP pick, with Democrats and independents more ambivalent.  A full 80% of Republicans say the pick makes them more confident in McCain, compared to 59% of Democrats feeling less confident (independents are more divided, 44% more confident, 37% less confident).

And charges that the press have treated Palin unfairly resonate with Republicans more than they resonate with women.  More than half (57%) of Republicans say she has been treated unfairly, with less than half as many Democrats (27%) agreeing.  The difference between men (55% treated fairly) and women (46%) is smaller, with women more likely to be undecided than men.

When we ask the ultimate question--how does each candidate's VP pick affect one's vote--we see Palin moving the Republican base, but not others.

Moving the base more squarely into McCain's camp will surely drive the national tracking polls upward in his favor.  <u>But it won't necessarily do so in the states John McCain needs to win.</u>  Remember where the Christianist, hyper-conservative anti-Obama base largely lives: Appalachia, the deep South, and much of the upper Mountain West.  These states are already heavily in the bag for McCain: 15 points in Tennessee; 21 points in Nebraska; an insane 40 points in Utah; 15 points in Louisiana.  The list goes on and on.

This is where the Palin base largely resides.  Yes, there will be shifts in a few of the swing states with evangelical populations (for instance, the entire Focus on the Family crowd in Colorado Springs will be more mobilized now, making Obama's and Udall's roads more difficult there; Ohio could also be a problem given the presence of the religious right there), but by and large McCain's post-convention bump is likely to come from states that are already his.

The Democratic Convention, by constrast, did not throw red meat to its base but rather hit at issues that resonate across the entire electorate.

So when we examine the GOP bounce over the coming days, let us examine closely not what it is, but where it is.  That will be the biggest indicator of the convention's success--or, more likely, lack thereof.



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It's all about McCain/Bush now...
by thereisnospoon on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:19:00 PM EST

STP...Screw the Polls, Screw the Pundits.... (2.00 / 1)

Low information voters, who go for the wall of fake patrotism and family values.

That convention looked like America, if you lived in Idaho in the 50s....

I am STILL ignoring the polls, and counting on the GOTV Axelrod plan.

And, after watching Palin, not only am I going to max out contribution, my KID is going to max out!

I will spend every last nickel I have arming Obama/Biden to keep that theocrat out of the Whitehouse.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:25:38 PM EST

Well, if you're talking about bounce (none / 0)

Then you can still take the national trackers into account. Any action will be met with equal but opposite reaction. But if you're saying that failure to get a big move upwards is a loss for Mccain, I completely agree.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:29:45 PM EST

Great minds think alike (none / 0)

And I guess if they can do it, so can we!


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by BishopRook on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:32:39 PM EST

Michelle's Bounce (none / 0)

Look at the +11 after Michelle/Hillary speeches.  I'd buy that for a dollar.

Diageo is still relying on registered/likely voters for their data.  Not only a small data set but they're fishing in the wrong pond.


I might be crazy... but are you seeing what I'm seeing?
by mydailydrunk on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:32:12 PM EST

Re: When Checking for t (none / 0)

The repubs are kidding themselves if they think they can win over women voters with Palin.

The Rasmussen poll, which was skewed in favor of Palin/republicans, showed an interesting gender split regarding Palin: Men were more likely to approve of her speech than women.  60% of men approved, while 52% of women approved.

Intriguing figures.  My guess is that more men approved mostly because more men are republicans than women.  It doesn't look like Palin is going to be able to peel off democratic and independent women just because she's a woman.  

My theory - it's because McCain mistakenly believed that Hillarycrats who talked about wanting a woman in the White House would settle for any woman, even a fire-breathing, anti-choice conservative.  What they failed to factor in is the fact that women are probably more concerned about the experience factor than men, and so, it is truly troubling that Palin's political experience, which has been solely about Alaskan politics and issues, has not prepared her for becoming one heartbeat away from the presidency.


by ProfessorReo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:37:18 PM EST

Palin (none / 0)

has become more about turning out Republicans who have been depressed this year, negating the advantage of Democratic turnout, which can be unreliable.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:56:22 PM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

Yes, she will help with republican turn-out, assuming she survives all her various scandals.

But, McCain won't win just be revving up the base.  It just isn't big enough.  The key are independent voters and suburban security moms.  Bush won the suburban white women vote in 2004.  

Those two groups are likely to turned off by Palin, especially by her extreme social conservatism.  Plus, suburban security moms will rightfully be concerned about Palin's ability to step in as commander in chief should something happen to John McCain.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:12:30 PM EST
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So far (none / 0)

McCain's holding his own with Independents. Palin won't turn them off on their own, we have to help. We need to be defining her as so extreme and radical, she makes Bush look good. At the same time, we have to define McCain as unreliable and unsteady. He says he's a maverick, but when push came to shove, he supported Bush lockstep.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:16:09 PM EST
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Re: So far (none / 0)

Yes, the indies are definitely up for grabs.  So, it's definitely important to start defining Palin, and exposing the truth about her, her scandals, and her extremist political views.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:22:57 PM EST
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STATE Polls (none / 0)

State polls follow the national trend. I'm sure Palin took a few places off the table.


by RandyMI on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:10:32 PM EST

Re: STATE Polls (none / 0)

Maybe, but what states, other than Alaska?

She probably will have the greatest appeal in southern states, but, except for Georgia, North Carolina, and Virginia, most of those states weren't in play anyway.

Could she swing NC, VA, and GA in a close race?  Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.  GA was probably going to for McCain anyway, but NC and VA are probably going to go down to the wire.  Those two states have pockets of areas where some residents may be swayed by Palin, but, you still have the AA vote and more cosmopolitan metro areas that won't be swayed by Palin.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:15:48 PM EST
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Big loser: Bob Barr (none / 0)

I think that the big loser of the week is Bob Barr.  He HAD a chance of being kingmaker in a few states, syphoning off enough votes to give a near certain victory for McCain to Obama instead. Georgia was the state most likely to fall into this scenario.

Conservatives who felt like they didn't have a voice with McCain are now less likely going to vote for Barr with Palin on the ticket.


by Khun David on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:02:15 AM EST


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